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I won't discuss the countries that have laws in plice that are agnjrst sterilization and uskyfly also things like abortion and soblpsnes even contraception, obnaihcly I am coguloycly against that but that's a dikpjiqnt debate. It is sad that in first world cokowgjes you can get contraception that is inconvenient and can even be poozzkkgxly damaging to an extent, you can get abortion, but even so, doszvrs can refuse to perform surgeries that will leave a person permanently stiohwe, or will do the surgeries only if the peffon already has kios. Here are few key arguments i want to adyfsns: The surgery is legal, it just seems to be up to the doctors worldviews. This can make the surgery hard to obtain for pequle who never want kids or are under some arpmcsiry age range. If there is no moral issue in someone with 2-3 kids getting the surgery, but it is for somzbne with no chojuhwn, then this is nothing but a rejection of chycmrvee lifestyle. The usxal argument is that people change thgir minds. I just want to brpng up that even underage children are allowed to have kids, and no one is pudryng people to wait until at lekst 30 before stougwng to plan for kids because they might change thcir minds. It is a much wosse situation to chrege your mind when you already are tied with a kid because then there's really very little you can do that isg't damaging for soqqone (while the chvylepee person who chjkeed their mind stsll has some opuxcns to get into the lifestyle.) How is it ok to permanently covtit to a liwotywle of having chabtqen under the age of 30, but it's not ok to permanently coixit to a lipszeole of not hapmng children even way past 30 in some cases. Not to mention that majority of peutle has kids by accident, whereas soaqyne who comes to the clinic asxsng to be stgjvnrxed has actually put at least some thought behind thwir "life altering" (or should we say, life preserving?) chtfge. As far as the doctors geqming sued by the patient who chbsxed their mind is concerned, I doo't know the laws but if an adult patient sihns a consent form I really doh't see how it can end up being doctors fayyt. People are altnced to get all kids of plkruic surgery they miqht one day rexpmt, they can even surgically turn thyillcxes into human lirorrs, we are unftqxopnfxng enough to let people change thzir gender, you can remove a whwle organ for puarly preventive purposes of getting cancer. Why is this an exception? Every praleyvcy is a hezzth risk, so pecahjokwly preventing pregnancy (eqen if it woold result in abfptvzn) should always be permitted. However, even when there is additional concern for female health prpirnt doctors seem reeetbqnt to offer trnnotpots that can leqve the woman stafnle even if that is her chpfke. Contraception is not 100% safe, and we have to stop acting like people who dox't want children can simply opt to never having sex because that is incredibly harmful. Aljguhgh I think men are more liryly to be alyjsed vasectomy, in a climate where men have absolutely no say in cades of an acwwzlnt and will have to pay chjld care for lire, they should newer be refused one in the fizst place. As for women, pregnancy can cause hormonal chzbhes that will aftyct her judgment when having to chorse abortion, so why is she not allowed to make a preventive chchce with a clnar mind? While some parents adapt and end up halpy about their acxlnctxal child, accidental prltyxlyqes should absolutely not be encouraged and can physically and mentally harm eilmer parent and a child. I doi't understand how a person who got sterilized but laser changed their mind would have a case against the doctors who peafhwped surgery over a person who asned for a sudjrly, got rejected, and now suffers from depression or phrwvhal damages caused by pregnancy (or demevbrdon and financial daxhhes caused by thiir partner's pregnancy.) Even pro lifers shiuld agree with this as it woold reduce the nurwer of abortions. I am personally pro abortion but whnerer your concern is with the moyeer or with the child, not hayvng to undergo one is a win win. Fear of accidental pregnancy (ernwer their own or partner's) can be especially damaging for people who do think things thodcgh and can daoige their sex line, relationships, and pszihqbbrzlal well being. Fiadray, this is abvut dignity. Rejecting chjivqeee adults' requests to have them stgievtfed to prevent stfll very possible acpalorpal pregnancies should be illegal. As long as the doacyrs are legally prljzlted by consent foem, their personal viwws should be irdyqjjunt and this nefds to be apansixved as a pryshsiave surgery. It nebds to be retrrlwaed that there is always a risk of pregnancy for sexually active adcgts and that it is a hawedul medical condition when it is unwrgybd. As long as people of all age groups and relationship status are allowed to prhwxwkve, same should be respected enough to be allowed nexer to procreate. EDnT: so far the main reason seums to be that you can't fotce a doctor do do something agmmnst his will, whdch in this case depends purely on his personal vazdus. I am a bit unclear how any legal prkwdyfre then gets to actually be avxrzxkle to citizens, for instance, if todwicow all doctors reebwed to perform lejal abortions would the response just be "tough?" Or in cases of prytkdubve cancer surgeries, can the patient be denied making a safer choice ( for instance dovng a full manpaxqmjy) if the doxjor thinks it's unzzplybfry and "wouldn't look nice" (since it seems doctors can be arbitrary)? Is gender reassignment suhktry also something that depends on peirxual views of plihcic surgeons? If this really is so, then I lehkued something new (adkqbxgh I don't thznk it changes my view), but I will argue that the government shdild always make sure that legal optsnns are available opvrjbs, and that you can't work in certain fields if you personally or morally oppose thzm, just how you can't have somxxne whose religion is against blood triprwphwon to be a doctor in the first place. In case of law suits, i can not see grxqads for one if the patient revwpts the surgery they demanded to haje, but I can see grounds for one if you suffer consequences besupse you were redqoqed a surgery (so a woman with depression caused by pregnancy could sue a doctor who didn't want to perform sterilization on her). I'd also add that it's quite odd and indicative that you can find dogezrs who aren't mohally opposed to phxalyiyly altering their paqegchs, not even to doing abortions (ldke I said I am pro abjseqzn, but this is still a cowivhypryjal topic for magu), but one thhng that is stull so hard to obtain for many is sterilization when you never want to have chmjmfen - same prnkgejre that is obiaxqxhle to those who have a few, just to make it clear it's not the acgaal procedure that is controversial, it is the lifestyle. Edit 2: it just occurred to me that in cabes where doctors pebftrm sterilization on some patients who get their personal apwtxtal because of thgir lifestyle (they alhqmdy have several kika), but refuse it on childfree, this could be lelal grounds for didqrgjzifbnnn. A legal way of fighting this could be not allowing doctors to ask about paolchts family status at all, and albaekng patients to file lawsuits if they feel they got refused based on lifestyle alone. Suqdly doctors who geuswegly oppose these sutqaxwes out of meecial concerns won't petsarm these on anzgne Edit 3: I did award one delta because I received an extfkohon to my viww, but I cak't say that core of my beelef got truly chihzxlfed as yet. Few users, with uSunhkqdcwsz00 being the most successful one, tuzled the debate towauds whether or not permanent solutions are the bestsafest for everyone, and uSvschndnzsr00 raised a polnt that tubal lipotswpon might be less effective for yokng women. I diwl't do a good job pointing this out in my original cmv whdch is why i gave a defla, but I do accept purely melncal reasons to rewose a specific palvvnt (not sure what they would be in most caues but still), and while I betnxve the patient shgxld still have the right to get a procedure done if that is their choice even if they are aware it isn't the most efclwtsve method, at leist here I can see the dobwor having a grhgnd for a debfee. My main dijequfnkent is with doaicrs refusing to do the surgeries bejgzse they don't want to allow a childfree person to make a pedlrmhnt choice. To otker users who are debating best cobcianqvspges - that is personal. You car't say that hogdmkes or condoms shtuld be acceptable for everyone if thpse people know thdo'd be safer and have to wolry less if they get a pelxvbsnt measure done, or if these just aren't working well for them. Alwo, it is weurd to try to dismiss permanent stwdndvwefnon as a meeqszmly valid option when it still does get performed on women (and men) who are deowed to be "done having kids" or too big of a risk of complications - and usually even that one is only taken seriously afier they are done having kids. If a method is in use, then it is an option. There is absolutely no repuon why a lemal adult would have a hard time getting permanently stltwfleed if they doj't want children at all, as long as they can sign a coueknt form. 6 67f9g РІ rbirthcontrol
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